1 00:00:10,870 --> 00:00:09,270 okay thank you uh yes i'll be 2 00:00:13,749 --> 00:00:10,880 discussing some results we've gotten 3 00:00:15,910 --> 00:00:13,759 from analyzing an archive set of samples 4 00:00:18,630 --> 00:00:15,920 that stanley muller produced in 1958 5 00:00:21,029 --> 00:00:18,640 where he used cyanamide which is a 6 00:00:23,349 --> 00:00:21,039 plausible prebiotic condensing agent to 7 00:00:24,790 --> 00:00:23,359 try to evaluate the polymerization of 8 00:00:27,670 --> 00:00:24,800 amino acids 9 00:00:29,509 --> 00:00:27,680 into larger molecules like peptides but 10 00:00:30,390 --> 00:00:29,519 before i do that i'll provide some 11 00:00:32,790 --> 00:00:30,400 context 12 00:00:35,510 --> 00:00:32,800 for this experiment so many of you are 13 00:00:37,830 --> 00:00:35,520 probably aware of the original military 14 00:00:39,750 --> 00:00:37,840 experiment that he published on in 1953 15 00:00:41,510 --> 00:00:39,760 where he used an apparatus 16 00:00:43,430 --> 00:00:41,520 like you see here on the left he put 17 00:00:46,470 --> 00:00:43,440 water in this small flask and he put the 18 00:00:48,389 --> 00:00:46,480 gases methane ammonia and hydrogen in 19 00:00:50,549 --> 00:00:48,399 this large flask over the course of 20 00:00:52,709 --> 00:00:50,559 seven days he sparked the experiment 21 00:00:55,029 --> 00:00:52,719 collected the samples and analyzed them 22 00:00:57,270 --> 00:00:55,039 with what was considered to be 23 00:01:00,229 --> 00:00:57,280 relatively state of the art technology 24 00:01:02,310 --> 00:01:00,239 in 1953 paper chromatography with 25 00:01:04,789 --> 00:01:02,320 hydrogen detection and what that did it 26 00:01:07,030 --> 00:01:04,799 produced these various spots here that 27 00:01:08,469 --> 00:01:07,040 all represent different compounds so in 28 00:01:10,950 --> 00:01:08,479 the case of his analyses they 29 00:01:12,469 --> 00:01:10,960 represented various amino acids so what 30 00:01:14,630 --> 00:01:12,479 this shows us 31 00:01:16,789 --> 00:01:14,640 is that you can simulate a 32 00:01:18,950 --> 00:01:16,799 possible early earth condition using 33 00:01:21,670 --> 00:01:18,960 very simple starting materials adding 34 00:01:24,149 --> 00:01:21,680 energy and you can form amino acids the 35 00:01:25,270 --> 00:01:24,159 building blocks for life 36 00:01:27,190 --> 00:01:25,280 but recently there's been some 37 00:01:29,350 --> 00:01:27,200 rejuvenated interest in some of the work 38 00:01:31,590 --> 00:01:29,360 that he did in the 1950s 39 00:01:33,670 --> 00:01:31,600 particularly with respect to a couple 40 00:01:35,910 --> 00:01:33,680 different experiments one of which was 41 00:01:37,749 --> 00:01:35,920 his volcanic experiment and that was one 42 00:01:39,510 --> 00:01:37,759 where he used an apparatus similar to 43 00:01:41,590 --> 00:01:39,520 the one you saw in the previous slide 44 00:01:43,350 --> 00:01:41,600 except it used an aspirator in it and 45 00:01:46,310 --> 00:01:43,360 what that did was it injected a jet of 46 00:01:48,789 --> 00:01:46,320 steam directly into the spark discharge 47 00:01:50,550 --> 00:01:48,799 simulating a volcanic eruption in the 48 00:01:51,910 --> 00:01:50,560 presence of lightning rich air on the 49 00:01:55,030 --> 00:01:51,920 early earth it's something that's common 50 00:01:57,749 --> 00:01:55,040 today and probably was common uh about 51 00:01:59,910 --> 00:01:57,759 3.8 billion years ago as well and what 52 00:02:01,990 --> 00:01:59,920 you can see from the analyses of these 53 00:02:05,190 --> 00:02:02,000 samples that he produced is that you get 54 00:02:08,070 --> 00:02:05,200 a great range and abundance of compounds 55 00:02:10,150 --> 00:02:08,080 that are produced by this experiment 56 00:02:12,229 --> 00:02:10,160 interestingly enough only a handful of 57 00:02:14,630 --> 00:02:12,239 these were actually detected by him when 58 00:02:16,949 --> 00:02:14,640 he first analyzed these samples himself 59 00:02:19,990 --> 00:02:16,959 but over five times as many can be 60 00:02:22,869 --> 00:02:20,000 detected today that speaks to the 61 00:02:25,589 --> 00:02:22,879 analytical achievements of uh 62 00:02:27,350 --> 00:02:25,599 of the past 60 years or so 63 00:02:28,949 --> 00:02:27,360 additionally there was his hydrogen 64 00:02:31,110 --> 00:02:28,959 sulfide experiment where he used a 65 00:02:33,830 --> 00:02:31,120 version of the classic apparatus and he 66 00:02:36,070 --> 00:02:33,840 used a reducing and oxidized gas mixture 67 00:02:38,550 --> 00:02:36,080 that included hydrogen sulfide and he 68 00:02:41,910 --> 00:02:38,560 sparked it for about three days let's go 69 00:02:43,830 --> 00:02:41,920 back sparked it for about three days and 70 00:02:46,390 --> 00:02:43,840 after he collected the samples he stored 71 00:02:48,309 --> 00:02:46,400 them in sealed sterilized vials but he 72 00:02:50,630 --> 00:02:48,319 never looked at them so this is the 73 00:02:52,790 --> 00:02:50,640 first analyses of these particular 74 00:02:54,229 --> 00:02:52,800 samples and you can see a chromatogram 75 00:02:56,470 --> 00:02:54,239 here on the top of the samples a 76 00:02:58,790 --> 00:02:56,480 chromatogram of the standards 77 00:03:01,190 --> 00:02:58,800 below that and even farther below that 78 00:03:03,350 --> 00:03:01,200 is this little line that's a 79 00:03:05,350 --> 00:03:03,360 it's an analysis of a procedural blank 80 00:03:06,949 --> 00:03:05,360 so it shows you that 81 00:03:08,949 --> 00:03:06,959 the sample handling processes 82 00:03:11,270 --> 00:03:08,959 contributed negative or negligibly 83 00:03:13,350 --> 00:03:11,280 excuse me to the presence of these amino 84 00:03:14,949 --> 00:03:13,360 acids that were detected in this sample 85 00:03:17,750 --> 00:03:14,959 set so it shows you that even by adding 86 00:03:20,550 --> 00:03:17,760 a simple gas like hydrogen sulfide 87 00:03:22,630 --> 00:03:20,560 you can have a huge uh effect on the 88 00:03:24,390 --> 00:03:22,640 range of products which included a 89 00:03:26,390 --> 00:03:24,400 number of sulfur bearing organic 90 00:03:28,550 --> 00:03:26,400 molecules like methionine which is 91 00:03:30,710 --> 00:03:28,560 important for eukaryotic protein 92 00:03:32,390 --> 00:03:30,720 synthesis 93 00:03:34,070 --> 00:03:32,400 but despite these 94 00:03:36,070 --> 00:03:34,080 various results that have been produced 95 00:03:38,309 --> 00:03:36,080 from these experiments detractors of the 96 00:03:39,990 --> 00:03:38,319 experiment would say you can take 97 00:03:42,229 --> 00:03:40,000 simulated early earth conditions and 98 00:03:43,589 --> 00:03:42,239 form amino acids but that doesn't mean 99 00:03:45,509 --> 00:03:43,599 that you formed life and that's 100 00:03:46,630 --> 00:03:45,519 absolutely true and in fact that gets 101 00:03:47,990 --> 00:03:46,640 that one of the biggest questions 102 00:03:50,710 --> 00:03:48,000 remaining in the field which is how do 103 00:03:52,789 --> 00:03:50,720 you go from these small monomer 104 00:03:55,190 --> 00:03:52,799 molecules like amino acids into these 105 00:03:56,630 --> 00:03:55,200 bigger molecules like ditri and 106 00:03:58,470 --> 00:03:56,640 polypeptides 107 00:04:00,789 --> 00:03:58,480 eventually working your way up into 108 00:04:03,110 --> 00:04:00,799 small proteins and one possible way to 109 00:04:05,429 --> 00:04:03,120 do that is through the use of condensing 110 00:04:06,869 --> 00:04:05,439 agents so these are simple molecules 111 00:04:09,350 --> 00:04:06,879 that are capable of facilitating 112 00:04:11,350 --> 00:04:09,360 polymerization of amino acids onto one 113 00:04:13,270 --> 00:04:11,360 another to form peptides 114 00:04:14,390 --> 00:04:13,280 and ideally what you could do is you 115 00:04:16,949 --> 00:04:14,400 could demonstrate 116 00:04:19,110 --> 00:04:16,959 a early earth condition and you would 117 00:04:21,270 --> 00:04:19,120 introduce a condensing agent and you 118 00:04:23,590 --> 00:04:21,280 would try to see if you can form both 119 00:04:25,030 --> 00:04:23,600 amino acids and dipeptides which would 120 00:04:27,350 --> 00:04:25,040 be their immediate polymerization 121 00:04:29,830 --> 00:04:27,360 product and show that in fact this 122 00:04:31,830 --> 00:04:29,840 process can happen under simulated early 123 00:04:34,469 --> 00:04:31,840 earth conditions 124 00:04:36,870 --> 00:04:34,479 so to give an overview of what would be 125 00:04:38,310 --> 00:04:36,880 a condensing agent there are a number of 126 00:04:40,070 --> 00:04:38,320 possible condensing agents that could 127 00:04:42,070 --> 00:04:40,080 have been readily 128 00:04:43,350 --> 00:04:42,080 excuse me readily formed on the early 129 00:04:46,070 --> 00:04:43,360 earth one of which would have been 130 00:04:47,670 --> 00:04:46,080 cyanomide uh also it's dimer 131 00:04:49,749 --> 00:04:47,680 diocyandiamide 132 00:04:51,749 --> 00:04:49,759 and then cyan cyanogen and carbonyl 133 00:04:53,670 --> 00:04:51,759 sulfide are also very plausible 134 00:04:55,030 --> 00:04:53,680 prebiotic condensing agents but for the 135 00:04:58,629 --> 00:04:55,040 purposes of this study we're going to 136 00:04:59,430 --> 00:04:58,639 focus on cyanomide and that leads us to 137 00:05:01,270 --> 00:04:59,440 his 138 00:05:03,030 --> 00:05:01,280 most recent set of archive samples that 139 00:05:04,710 --> 00:05:03,040 have been discovered and subsequently 140 00:05:06,950 --> 00:05:04,720 analyzed and that's his cyanomide spark 141 00:05:08,790 --> 00:05:06,960 discharge experiment so if you look here 142 00:05:11,029 --> 00:05:08,800 on the left you can see a photocopy of 143 00:05:12,870 --> 00:05:11,039 his original laboratory notebooks 144 00:05:15,350 --> 00:05:12,880 he was fortunately for us a very 145 00:05:17,670 --> 00:05:15,360 diligent notetaker and from this we can 146 00:05:19,189 --> 00:05:17,680 tell how he did the experiment 147 00:05:21,270 --> 00:05:19,199 we know that he took 148 00:05:23,510 --> 00:05:21,280 a version of the original apparatus and 149 00:05:26,070 --> 00:05:23,520 sparked the gases methane ammonia and 150 00:05:27,670 --> 00:05:26,080 water over the course of seven days and 151 00:05:29,909 --> 00:05:27,680 intermittently throughout the experiment 152 00:05:33,270 --> 00:05:29,919 he stopped the experiment three separate 153 00:05:34,870 --> 00:05:33,280 times to add cyanamide and it's worth 154 00:05:37,270 --> 00:05:34,880 noting that after the first edition of 155 00:05:38,390 --> 00:05:37,280 cyanomide he no longer heeded the 156 00:05:39,749 --> 00:05:38,400 apparatus 157 00:05:41,110 --> 00:05:39,759 and the reason for that is likely 158 00:05:43,270 --> 00:05:41,120 because of the risk of thermally 159 00:05:44,950 --> 00:05:43,280 decomposing the cyanomide if you 160 00:05:46,469 --> 00:05:44,960 thermally decompose your condensing 161 00:05:48,790 --> 00:05:46,479 agent you don't have a chemical 162 00:05:50,469 --> 00:05:48,800 mechanism or means by which to induce 163 00:05:52,710 --> 00:05:50,479 the polymerization of the amino acids 164 00:05:55,029 --> 00:05:52,720 you form so one thing we wanted to do is 165 00:05:56,390 --> 00:05:55,039 we wanted to look for not only the amino 166 00:05:59,310 --> 00:05:56,400 acids but also their immediate 167 00:06:01,990 --> 00:05:59,320 polymerization products dipeptides and 168 00:06:04,230 --> 00:06:02,000 diketopirazines or dkps which are the 169 00:06:05,590 --> 00:06:04,240 cyclic dipeptide and the reason why we 170 00:06:07,350 --> 00:06:05,600 want to look for those is because under 171 00:06:09,430 --> 00:06:07,360 equilibrium conditions all three of 172 00:06:12,309 --> 00:06:09,440 those would be predate 173 00:06:13,909 --> 00:06:12,319 present in a polymerization reaction so 174 00:06:15,909 --> 00:06:13,919 we took a targeted approach to look for 175 00:06:18,950 --> 00:06:15,919 amino acids and then a separate targeted 176 00:06:21,350 --> 00:06:18,960 approach to look for dipeptides and dkps 177 00:06:23,110 --> 00:06:21,360 so when we look for amino acids we use 178 00:06:25,029 --> 00:06:23,120 high performance liquor chromatography 179 00:06:27,350 --> 00:06:25,039 with fluorescence detection and triple 180 00:06:29,270 --> 00:06:27,360 quadruple mass spectrometry so the way 181 00:06:31,430 --> 00:06:29,280 this worked is we took our samples and 182 00:06:33,670 --> 00:06:31,440 we derivatized them so we prepared them 183 00:06:36,629 --> 00:06:33,680 for analysis with a chiral adduct known 184 00:06:39,189 --> 00:06:36,639 as othaldialdehyde and acetyl cysteine 185 00:06:41,749 --> 00:06:39,199 or opa nac for short 186 00:06:44,550 --> 00:06:41,759 and what this does is it tags primary 187 00:06:46,830 --> 00:06:44,560 amino groups and provides enantiomeric 188 00:06:49,110 --> 00:06:46,840 separation of amino acids with chiral 189 00:06:51,909 --> 00:06:49,120 centers so we take our samples and we 190 00:06:54,070 --> 00:06:51,919 push them through an hplc column 191 00:06:55,909 --> 00:06:54,080 as the compounds of interest get eluded 192 00:06:58,550 --> 00:06:55,919 off of the column they are either 193 00:07:01,270 --> 00:06:58,560 directed into the fluorescence detector 194 00:07:02,550 --> 00:07:01,280 for detection by one mechanism and 195 00:07:04,870 --> 00:07:02,560 they're also 196 00:07:07,990 --> 00:07:04,880 directed into the triple quad for mass 197 00:07:12,629 --> 00:07:10,150 and if we look at our amino acid data we 198 00:07:14,629 --> 00:07:12,639 can see very clearly that the cyanomide 199 00:07:16,870 --> 00:07:14,639 spark discharge experiment does produce 200 00:07:19,270 --> 00:07:16,880 amino acids and it produces them in good 201 00:07:21,189 --> 00:07:19,280 yields and in fact it compares very well 202 00:07:24,150 --> 00:07:21,199 to the previous spark discharge 203 00:07:26,390 --> 00:07:24,160 experiments that he had conducted 204 00:07:29,110 --> 00:07:26,400 what's worth noting is that you have the 205 00:07:31,430 --> 00:07:29,120 presence here of the amino butyric acids 206 00:07:34,790 --> 00:07:31,440 which are non-protein amino acids and 207 00:07:36,870 --> 00:07:34,800 you also have amino acids that are 208 00:07:39,270 --> 00:07:36,880 present in high abundance that have 209 00:07:41,670 --> 00:07:39,280 chiral centers they are racemic within 210 00:07:44,070 --> 00:07:41,680 experimental measures so that suggests 211 00:07:45,749 --> 00:07:44,080 to us the combination of the two factors 212 00:07:47,830 --> 00:07:45,759 suggests that these amino acids were 213 00:07:50,629 --> 00:07:47,840 formed within the experiment itself and 214 00:07:52,469 --> 00:07:50,639 were not a product of sample handling 215 00:07:54,950 --> 00:07:52,479 processes or other sources of 216 00:07:57,589 --> 00:07:54,960 terrestrial contamination 217 00:07:59,350 --> 00:07:57,599 now if we look at dipeptides and dkp's 218 00:08:00,869 --> 00:07:59,360 our approach for looking at these was to 219 00:08:02,230 --> 00:08:00,879 use ultra high performance liquid 220 00:08:03,029 --> 00:08:02,240 chromatography 221 00:08:05,510 --> 00:08:03,039 with 222 00:08:07,830 --> 00:08:05,520 quadrupole ion mobility separation and 223 00:08:09,670 --> 00:08:07,840 time-of-flight mass spectrometry so when 224 00:08:12,070 --> 00:08:09,680 your compounds of interest come off the 225 00:08:14,230 --> 00:08:12,080 column they come into the instrument 226 00:08:16,070 --> 00:08:14,240 here and they get ionized and that's 227 00:08:17,749 --> 00:08:16,080 when they go through ion mobility 228 00:08:19,430 --> 00:08:17,759 separation 229 00:08:21,029 --> 00:08:19,440 which separates the molecules based on 230 00:08:23,110 --> 00:08:21,039 their cross-sectional area when it 231 00:08:25,110 --> 00:08:23,120 interacts a drift gas acting in the 232 00:08:27,909 --> 00:08:25,120 opposite direction and then they enter 233 00:08:30,950 --> 00:08:27,919 into the mass spectrometer here for high 234 00:08:32,550 --> 00:08:30,960 resolution mass analysis 235 00:08:34,630 --> 00:08:32,560 and when we look at our dipeptide 236 00:08:36,709 --> 00:08:34,640 results we do see a lot of dipeptides 237 00:08:40,310 --> 00:08:36,719 and we see them in good yields as well 238 00:08:43,750 --> 00:08:40,320 and interestingly if you look at your 239 00:08:45,350 --> 00:08:43,760 amino acid to dipeptide ratio the ratio 240 00:08:47,509 --> 00:08:45,360 in the samples is about a thousand to 241 00:08:49,590 --> 00:08:47,519 one or a thousand to ten which agrees 242 00:08:51,509 --> 00:08:49,600 with experimental evidence that shows 243 00:08:54,150 --> 00:08:51,519 that at equilibrium conditions you 244 00:08:56,150 --> 00:08:54,160 should have amino acids in about a 245 00:08:58,470 --> 00:08:56,160 thousand times more abundant than your 246 00:09:00,070 --> 00:08:58,480 dipeptide so that suggests that these 247 00:09:01,750 --> 00:09:00,080 dipeptides were formed within the 248 00:09:03,110 --> 00:09:01,760 experiment and were not a product of 249 00:09:04,630 --> 00:09:03,120 contamination 250 00:09:06,470 --> 00:09:04,640 if you look at the structures down here 251 00:09:08,070 --> 00:09:06,480 at the bottom that shows you the type of 252 00:09:09,590 --> 00:09:08,080 chemical complexity that we're dealing 253 00:09:11,590 --> 00:09:09,600 with the kind the complexity that we're 254 00:09:13,670 --> 00:09:11,600 looking for we're not looking for super 255 00:09:15,670 --> 00:09:13,680 large macromolecules we're looking for 256 00:09:17,110 --> 00:09:15,680 something a little bit larger than amino 257 00:09:19,430 --> 00:09:17,120 acids 258 00:09:21,750 --> 00:09:19,440 so let's look at our dkps we do find 259 00:09:24,230 --> 00:09:21,760 dkps as well and this is very good 260 00:09:25,750 --> 00:09:24,240 evidence because it shows the full 261 00:09:28,550 --> 00:09:25,760 product of the polymerization of the 262 00:09:29,990 --> 00:09:28,560 amino acids so you see dkps in high 263 00:09:32,310 --> 00:09:30,000 abundance and when you compare your 264 00:09:34,310 --> 00:09:32,320 dipeptide to dkp abundance it's about 265 00:09:36,230 --> 00:09:34,320 one to ten or one to twenty which 266 00:09:38,070 --> 00:09:36,240 generally agrees with experimental 267 00:09:40,790 --> 00:09:38,080 evidence that shows that at equilibrium 268 00:09:42,870 --> 00:09:40,800 conditions your dipeptide dkp ratio 269 00:09:44,710 --> 00:09:42,880 should be about one to ten further 270 00:09:46,630 --> 00:09:44,720 suggesting that these dkps and these 271 00:09:48,710 --> 00:09:46,640 dipeptides were not a product of 272 00:09:50,710 --> 00:09:48,720 contamination 273 00:09:52,470 --> 00:09:50,720 so one question would remain from this 274 00:09:54,389 --> 00:09:52,480 type of study which is how does this 275 00:09:56,470 --> 00:09:54,399 happen what's the mechanism by which 276 00:09:58,070 --> 00:09:56,480 this might occur so to take a step in 277 00:10:00,389 --> 00:09:58,080 the direction of trying to address this 278 00:10:02,630 --> 00:10:00,399 question we're proposing a mechanism and 279 00:10:04,949 --> 00:10:02,640 it starts like this you have cyanomide 280 00:10:07,030 --> 00:10:04,959 and at equilibrium cyanomide would also 281 00:10:09,430 --> 00:10:07,040 be present as carbodynamide this 282 00:10:11,269 --> 00:10:09,440 carbodyamide can be protonated and then 283 00:10:14,550 --> 00:10:11,279 when protonated it can react with an 284 00:10:16,550 --> 00:10:14,560 amino acid like glycine in this case 285 00:10:18,230 --> 00:10:16,560 which would form the activated form of 286 00:10:20,470 --> 00:10:18,240 the amino acid so here would be 287 00:10:21,829 --> 00:10:20,480 activated glycine the activated form of 288 00:10:23,910 --> 00:10:21,839 the amino acid can then react with 289 00:10:25,269 --> 00:10:23,920 another amino acid to yield your 290 00:10:29,990 --> 00:10:25,279 dipeptide 291 00:10:31,590 --> 00:10:30,000 through two different means one of which 292 00:10:33,750 --> 00:10:31,600 would be a dehydration reaction the 293 00:10:36,150 --> 00:10:33,760 other one of which would be direct 294 00:10:38,069 --> 00:10:36,160 reaction with cyanomite itself to yield 295 00:10:39,670 --> 00:10:38,079 your dkp 296 00:10:41,269 --> 00:10:39,680 so from this study there's several 297 00:10:43,590 --> 00:10:41,279 things we can conclude first thing would 298 00:10:45,590 --> 00:10:43,600 be that this was the chronologically the 299 00:10:47,110 --> 00:10:45,600 first attempt to study condensing agents 300 00:10:49,430 --> 00:10:47,120 for their relevance to the origins of 301 00:10:52,230 --> 00:10:49,440 life additionally what we can conclude 302 00:10:53,910 --> 00:10:52,240 is that yes you can form simultaneously 303 00:10:55,750 --> 00:10:53,920 both amino acids and their 304 00:10:58,470 --> 00:10:55,760 polymerization products dipeptides and 305 00:11:00,150 --> 00:10:58,480 dkps under plausible simulated early 306 00:11:02,389 --> 00:11:00,160 earth conditions and that these 307 00:11:04,389 --> 00:11:02,399 condensing agents like cyanamide would 308 00:11:06,790 --> 00:11:04,399 provide us a chemical mechanism by which 309 00:11:08,870 --> 00:11:06,800 we can explain how this polymerization 310 00:11:10,710 --> 00:11:08,880 may take may have taken place on the 311 00:11:12,790 --> 00:11:10,720 early earth and this could have expanded 312 00:11:14,630 --> 00:11:12,800 upon and diversified the prebiotic 313 00:11:16,630 --> 00:11:14,640 chemical inventory from which life may 314 00:11:19,030 --> 00:11:16,640 have originated 315 00:11:21,910 --> 00:11:19,040 so with that i should acknowledge 316 00:11:23,829 --> 00:11:21,920 colleagues collaborators funding and 317 00:11:25,990 --> 00:11:23,839 this resource down here which provided 318 00:11:28,389 --> 00:11:26,000 us with access to stanley's lab 319 00:11:36,790 --> 00:11:28,399 notebooks so we can understand how he 320 00:11:42,949 --> 00:11:38,710 all right thank you very much do we have 321 00:11:42,959 --> 00:11:51,670 all right 322 00:11:54,790 --> 00:11:53,190 hi thanks for your talk i'm just 323 00:11:56,710 --> 00:11:54,800 wondering on these types of experiment 324 00:11:58,470 --> 00:11:56,720 right now what's the level of complexity 325 00:12:00,630 --> 00:11:58,480 we can achieve uh i know you were 326 00:12:04,389 --> 00:12:00,640 looking for a specific level complexity 327 00:12:06,069 --> 00:12:04,399 but how like long time chains can you uh 328 00:12:07,750 --> 00:12:06,079 synthesize abiotically in this type of 329 00:12:09,509 --> 00:12:07,760 experiment it's a good question so the 330 00:12:11,910 --> 00:12:09,519 question was uh what's the type of 331 00:12:14,150 --> 00:12:11,920 complexity that we can reasonably expect 332 00:12:16,150 --> 00:12:14,160 from these types of experiments and a 333 00:12:17,590 --> 00:12:16,160 lot of it depends on the variables that 334 00:12:19,509 --> 00:12:17,600 you introduce into the experiment what 335 00:12:21,269 --> 00:12:19,519 are your starting conditions how long do 336 00:12:22,949 --> 00:12:21,279 you let the experiment go on for so he 337 00:12:24,870 --> 00:12:22,959 would let the experiment run on average 338 00:12:26,710 --> 00:12:24,880 for a week if you let it run for 339 00:12:28,310 --> 00:12:26,720 probably two or three weeks you can 340 00:12:31,670 --> 00:12:28,320 generate even greater amounts of 341 00:12:33,829 --> 00:12:31,680 complexity and it also depends on 342 00:12:35,509 --> 00:12:33,839 subsequent compounds or components that 343 00:12:37,350 --> 00:12:35,519 you may introduce into the reaction 344 00:12:39,350 --> 00:12:37,360 apparatus so in this case he put a 345 00:12:41,110 --> 00:12:39,360 condensing agent if he continued to add 346 00:12:43,190 --> 00:12:41,120 more condensing agents maybe a greater 347 00:12:46,550 --> 00:12:43,200 variety of condensing agents that could 348 00:12:48,870 --> 00:12:46,560 have facilitated polymerization into uh 349 00:12:51,829 --> 00:12:48,880 polypeptides so one thing i didn't 350 00:12:54,550 --> 00:12:51,839 mention in this talk was we focused on 351 00:12:55,350 --> 00:12:54,560 dipeptides but we also did screen for 352 00:12:57,269 --> 00:12:55,360 tri 353 00:12:59,509 --> 00:12:57,279 and polypeptides and we did see 354 00:13:01,350 --> 00:12:59,519 tripeptides and 355 00:13:03,030 --> 00:13:01,360 very small polypeptides but we didn't 356 00:13:05,670 --> 00:13:03,040 quantitate that 357 00:13:07,670 --> 00:13:05,680 so you can reasonably expect 358 00:13:10,310 --> 00:13:07,680 polypeptides i'm confident in saying at 359 00:13:11,829 --> 00:13:10,320 this point and we're also in 360 00:13:13,670 --> 00:13:11,839 in the process of looking for things 361 00:13:16,230 --> 00:13:13,680 like nucleobases 362 00:13:19,269 --> 00:13:16,240 and moving on beyond just the simple 363 00:13:22,629 --> 00:13:19,279 monomer amino acids 364 00:13:22,639 --> 00:13:27,509 okay thanks very much eric yep i lied 365 00:13:30,629 --> 00:13:29,110 thanks for a great talk eric um i don't 366 00:13:32,389 --> 00:13:30,639 know much about condensing agents or 367 00:13:33,430 --> 00:13:32,399 cyanomide or other condensing agents 368 00:13:34,949 --> 00:13:33,440 things that you find in the natural 369 00:13:37,350 --> 00:13:34,959 environment and abundance is comparable 370 00:13:40,629 --> 00:13:37,360 to those that you or that stanley miller 371 00:13:45,030 --> 00:13:42,870 say that again 372 00:13:46,550 --> 00:13:45,040 are condensing agents like the ones that 373 00:13:48,310 --> 00:13:46,560 were used in this experiment or other 374 00:13:51,030 --> 00:13:48,320 condensing agents are those things that 375 00:13:53,430 --> 00:13:51,040 are commonly found in the environment 376 00:13:54,790 --> 00:13:53,440 and in concentrations comparable to 377 00:13:57,670 --> 00:13:54,800 those used here 378 00:14:00,710 --> 00:13:57,680 yes they are so these condensing agents 379 00:14:02,949 --> 00:14:00,720 that um that i discussed are readily 380 00:14:04,389 --> 00:14:02,959 formed under simulated early earth 381 00:14:06,150 --> 00:14:04,399 conditions so they're very simple 382 00:14:07,829 --> 00:14:06,160 molecules they're formed from the 383 00:14:10,150 --> 00:14:07,839 starting materials that were likely 384 00:14:11,910 --> 00:14:10,160 present on the early earth and using the 385 00:14:13,829 --> 00:14:11,920 energy sources that were likely present 386 00:14:16,230 --> 00:14:13,839 on the early earth like uv radiation so 387 00:14:18,389 --> 00:14:16,240 for example cyanamide is formed from the 388 00:14:20,870 --> 00:14:18,399 ultraviolet radiation of ammonium 389 00:14:22,470 --> 00:14:20,880 cyanide which is formed fairly readily 390 00:14:24,150 --> 00:14:22,480 on the early earth so these are very 391 00:14:26,710 --> 00:14:24,160 much plausible 392 00:14:28,790 --> 00:14:26,720 molecules and the concentrations he used 393 00:14:31,990 --> 00:14:28,800 in this experiment were on the order of 394 00:14:41,269 --> 00:14:32,000 millimolar to micromolar ranges which is 395 00:14:44,629 --> 00:14:42,790 it's a good question so we're looking 396 00:14:46,389 --> 00:14:44,639 for cyanamide in spark discharge 397 00:14:48,870 --> 00:14:46,399 experiments there's currently no 398 00:14:50,310 --> 00:14:48,880 literature that shows that cyanamide has 399 00:14:52,870 --> 00:14:50,320 been formed in spark discharge 400 00:14:55,189 --> 00:14:52,880 experiments one problem with that is a 401 00:14:57,110 --> 00:14:55,199 lot of the analytical instrumentation is 402 00:15:00,230 --> 00:14:57,120 mass spectrometry based so if you're 403 00:15:01,189 --> 00:15:00,240 looking for a really slow mass molecule 404 00:15:05,910 --> 00:15:01,199 in the 405 00:15:07,990 --> 00:15:05,920 tough to find it using mass spectrometry 406 00:15:10,310 --> 00:15:08,000 because there's certain mass cutoffs a 407 00:15:13,750 --> 00:15:10,320 lot of mass specs will not 408 00:15:17,590 --> 00:15:13,760 have very good accuracy or precision for 409 00:15:19,110 --> 00:15:17,600 masses below 50. so cyanamide is around 410 00:15:21,189 --> 00:15:19,120 42 411 00:15:22,629 --> 00:15:21,199 is their amu so it's difficult to look 412 00:15:24,550 --> 00:15:22,639 for that but you can use other things 413 00:15:25,910 --> 00:15:24,560 you can use chromatographic techniques 414 00:15:27,509 --> 00:15:25,920 but that's something that we're 415 00:15:29,189 --> 00:15:27,519 currently looking for is to see if it 416 00:15:31,910 --> 00:15:29,199 can be formed inherently within the